How has dubstep still not died out?

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[Obsydian]

It's so confusing in this world I live in. When I try to "push the genre forward" how do I know where it should go? I can't find the laws of moving-a-genre-forward anywhere.

But wait, hey! I suddenly got this shocking new realisation!

Maybe Music isn't on a march of progress? Maybe it's not a dichotomy of "You're pushing the genre forward" or "You're regressing/holding it back!" Maybe people can "copy" a style because they like the style and want to make it? That sure would be an interesting world to live in, where people get influenced by other musicians and want to make music "like they do." Where for example, it's okay for Culcha Candela to exist (or *gasp* even like them better than) when we have Seeed even though they're "A Seeed Clone."

You know what, you guys are terrible. I define my entire reason for making music as a desire to copy those before me. I like Skrillex, I like Noisia, I like Tactical Sekt and :wumpscut: and Groove Coverage and Kosaka Ryu and Blue Stahli or Libido Airbag or Iceman. And that's just electronic music. And I want to make music like they do. It shouldn't matter if I want to make music just like they do, or if I want to mix it up. Because I want to do both. One isn't better than the other. Fourplay isn't a terrible group because they're just like old jazz. Doing the same as others isn't "just copying" and "holding the genre back" and the other isn't "pushing the genre forward." Genres aren't meant to go anywhere. It's okay to like a band or group or producer even if they are "just like" somebody else, even if they are "just like" somebody else except not quite as good. Because that supposed perfect band or group or producer? They probably aren't making infinite amounts of music encompassing all the possible ways their niche could be taken. And they can't. Tupac is dead. I shouldn't have to suffer through no rap like his because it's forbidden to "copy" him, with any attempt to make music like him just holding the genre back by no-talent hacks.

Some things are popular. Sometimes you don't like those things. Oh well. It's not a big deal. It also means that when you make the things you like, and what you like isn't popular, it's no big deal when you don't get as many fans as those who make what is popular. I don't want to make cybergrind because I think everybody's going to love it and I'll get swarmed with millions of fans. I want to do it for me, because I like it, it seems like fun, and I want there to be more of it in the world. If people do love it, that's great. But it's not my reason for wanting to make music.

[runemopar]

Damn you, and your reasonable arguments.

But in all seriousness, yes you're right Obsydian, but we still reserve the right to get pissed off when we see what we've decided to dedicate a lot of our time and effort into having the same thing done over and over and over and over and over and over... And over time seeing the sophistication of the production go down, the depth of the tracks themselves.... And still have it be popular.

[izotonik]

there are non-mainstream producers that are pushing the genre forward as well, with great quality and innovation. pushing forward doesn't necessarily mean to push and drag the masses

it hilarious to see the mainstream guys promoting each other!!! bro love.


edit - sometimes it seams that things in certain scenes get out of control! producers don't have discernment... the main concern is to innovate innovate innovate, but it doesn't matter if it's crap.
some music is so ridiculous and bad. it seams like the producers main concern and criteria is to come up with something LOUD and "HARD" TO COPY.
there are plenty of examples on electro and dubstep...

[zeros&ones]

The last time I bought a dubstep compilation was dubstep allstars, volumes 1-4. There were hit and miss tunes on there but they were not impossible to listen to. I stopped listening to dubstep when I heard Brittany Spears had used it... well, someone trying to make a few quid presented Brittany's team with a dubstep "pop" song, and they presented him with money. It does wind me up that dubstep has gone this way, but its nothing new. Take the Prodigy for example, consistantly popular. They write an album, gig like crazy, and then nobody hears a new tune for around 3-4 years. Dubstep however, just doesnt quit its onslaught. The genre name changes, as long as it has step in it. I love the new noises that are about, but some of them are starting to sound like a preset these days. Each to their own and fair play and all that.

[Rmonik]

The last time I bought a dubstep compilation was dubstep allstars, volumes 1-4. There were hit and miss tunes on there but they were not impossible to listen to. I stopped listening to dubstep when I heard Brittany Spears had used it... well, someone trying to make a few quid presented Brittany's team with a dubstep "pop" song, and they presented him with money. It does wind me up that dubstep has gone this way, but its nothing new. Take the Prodigy for example, consistantly popular. They write an album, gig like crazy, and then nobody hears a new tune for around 3-4 years. Dubstep however, just doesnt quit its onslaught. The genre name changes, as long as it has step in it. I love the new noises that are about, but some of them are starting to sound like a preset these days. Each to their own and fair play and all that.

I believe that someone was Rusko. So what? I kinda like dubstep in pop songs, at least then it's produced well.

[zeros&ones]

so you don't like the same thing over and over, and production is deteriorating, but you like pop dubstep? im with obsydian. Dubstep left my world when it evolved into its new form. I guess the real answer is "when dubstep dies in you." loefah-crackbong, was one of my favorites.

[Cripfingers]

My 2p, for what it's worth, is that it is all irrelevant...

IMHO passion for your craft and crafting something to please yourself - rather than others - is what makes "good" music.

This "good" music may not be to everyones taste, but then if we take personal preference into account we would never be able to define "good".

Different strokes for different folks...and all that jazz

Hi, by the way. I'm the noob.

[JannikR]

Hey guys, I used to wear aviator sunglasses, but then I saw that Fabolous wore them too, so I stopped. I also used to give to charity, but then I heard that Bono did that too, so I stopped. I used to have some sense of reason, but then I heard that George Bush once had that too, so I gave that up.

[diatonic]

but then I heard that George Bush once had that too, so I gave that up.

that was just speculation